간단하게 번역해보면,F-22가 원거리 공중전에선 더 저렴한 Eurofighter Typhoon에 대해서 절대적인 우위를 점하고 있지만.근접공중전에서는 F-22가 Eurofighter에 결코 우세하지 않았다.는 기사다. 뭐... 자주민보와는 달리 F-22가 그럼에도 세계최강의 전투기이라고 개인적으로는 생각하지만...뭐.. 그리고 F-22이 왜 현존 최강의 전투기인지를 안다면...별로 놀라울것도 없지만... 그렇다면 F-22의 원거리 공중전의 절대적 우위를 결코 기대할수없는 F-35를 그런 더 큰 비용으로 구매해야할 이유는 절대로 없는거 아닌가? 아니... 최소한 그래도 F-35가 스텔스라면서 더 좋다고 짖어댈 것들은왜 F-22가 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 절대강자인지...왜 F-35도 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 유리할수있는지를 설명하는게 우선이 아닐까 싶다.개인적인 판단은...
F-22's latest problem: Can't win over cheaper rivals in close-range fights
Mysteries remain as to why the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor pilots continue to experience symptoms of oxygen deprivation in the sky, but now a new question is being asked: does history’s costliest jet compare with its half-price counterparts?
The United States has invested about $80 billion into its Raptor fleet, which, at only 187 planes, has cost the country around $420 million apiece and has become the most expensive addition ever to the Air Force’s arsenal. According to a new report published in the latest edition of Combat Aircraft Monthly, though, the state-of-the-art jet has failed missions that put it up against the Eurofighter Typhoon, a simpler aircraft utilized by German pilots that costs a comparable measly $200 million apiece.
"We expected to perform less with the Eurofighter but we didn't," German air officer Marc Grune tells the magazine."We were evenly matched. They didn't expect us to turn so aggressively."
Although the advantageous of the Raptor jet aren’t exactly being brought into argument, the latest report suggests that in terms of close-range, one-on-one combat, the F-22 has failed to outmaneuver its German competitor. And while the long-range capabilities of the Raptor continue to be endorsed, being unable to claim victory in an up-close-and-personal fight with a plane from another fleet is an embarrassment the US Air Force doesn’t need right now.
The Air Force is standing by its multi-billion-dollar fleet, but the latest news regarding the F-22 doesn’t end there. After months of complaints from inside the military over hypoxia-like symptoms effecting Raptor pilots, the Pentagon says they believe the root of their problems isn’t in the jet itself but with the inflatable vest that pilots are required to wear. The Defense Department is now considering new equipment for its pilots that it believes will eliminate those symptoms, which have been blamed on at least one death, but not before grounding its F-22 fleet time and time again as investigators looked high and low for the culprit.
“We have looked at everything on that system [to] the nth degree, and the bottom line is that there’s no smoking gun,”Lt. Gen. Herbert Carlisle, a high-ranking Pentagon official, told the Air Force Times earlier this year.
Pentagon spokesperson George Little said last week that in regards to its fix targeting the pilot’s vests, “The Air Force is confident the root cause of the issue is the supply of oxygen delivered to pilots, not the quality of oxygen delivered to pilots.”
The Pentagon has yet to formally conclude that its adjustments will eliminate the complaints of hypoxia like conditions. Meanwhile, F-22 pilots are prohibits from flying the aircraft above 44,000 feet.
F-22 Raptor Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights: ReportThe United States has spent nearly $80 billion to develop the most advanced stealth fighter jet in history, the F-22 Raptor, but the Air Force recently found out firsthand that while the planes own the skies at modern long-range air combat, it is “evenly matched” with cheaper, foreign jets when it comes to old-school dogfighting.
The F-22 made its debut at the international Red Flag Alaska training exercise this June where the planes “cleared the skies of simulated enemy forces and provided security for Australian, German, Japanese, Polish and [NATO] aircraft,” according to an after-action public report by the Air Force. The F-22 took part in the exercise while under strict flying restrictionsimposed by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in light of mysterious, potentially deadly oxygen problems with the planes — problems that the Pentagon believes it has since solved.
The Air Force said the planes flew 80 missions during the event “with a very high mission success rate.” However, a new report from Combat Aircraft Monthly revealed that in a handful of missions designed to test the F-22 in a very specific situation – close-range, one-on-one combat – the jet appeared to lose its pricey advantages over a friendly rival, the Eurofighter Typhoon, flown in this case by German airmen.
“We expected to perform less with the Eurofighter but we didn’t,” German air officer Marc Grune said, according to Combat Aircraft Monthly. “We were evenly matched. They didn’t expect us to turn so aggressively.”
Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22′s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision — mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range. Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted.
“But as soon as you get to the merge…” Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dogfighting, “in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects.”
In response to the report, a spokesperson for the Air Force, Lt. Col. Tadd Sholtis, told ABC News that one-on-one combat is only one way to eva1uate an aircraft’s capabilities and said it’s not “necessarily the most relevant to every scenario.”
“The F-22 is conceived and employed as part of an integrated force that provides offensive capabilities that make close engagements far less likely while retaining the ability to handle close engagements in tandem with other fighters,” he said.
Air Force Gen. John Jumper, one of the few airmen to have flown both aircraft before he retired in 2005, said that year that it is difficult to compare the F-22 and the Eurofighter.
“They are different kinds of airplanes to start with,” he said, according to anAir Force Print News report. “It’s like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance.”
The F-22 “can maneuver with the best of them if it has to, but what you want to be able to do is get into contested airspace no matter where it is,” Jumper said, referring to the F-22′s stealth and supercruise capabilities that are meant to allow the plane to sneak in to hostile territory undetected – an ability the non-stealth Eurofighter lacks.
As for where that contested airspace may be, the Air Force hasn’t said. But in April 2011 an executive for Lockheed Martin, the primary manufacturer of the F-22, told ABC News that the plane could “absolutely” find a home in quick strike missions against countries like Iran or North Korea. Over the weekend, the Air Force deployed a squadron of F-22s to Kadena Air Base in southern Japan just over 800 miles south of the North Korean border — a move that comes three months after an undisclosed number of the stealth jets were deployed to an allied base in the United Arab Emirates, some 200 miles from the Iranian mainland.
The F-22 is the single most expensive fighter jet in history at a total acquisition cost of an estimated $79 billion for 187 planes, meaning each plane costs approximately $420 million. Estimates for the Eurofighter Typhoon – the premier fighter for several allied countries including the U.K., Germany and Italy – put that plane at just under $200 million each, according to an April 2011 report by England’s Public Accounts Committee.
“[Red Flag was] a mission to get to know each other, the first contact by German Eurofighters in the continental U.S.,” Grune said of mock-fighting the F-22s. “We are not planning on facing each other in combat. We want to work together but it was a starter for us to work together. They were impressed, as we were impressed by them.”
간단하게 번역해보면,F-22가 원거리 공중전에선 더 저렴한 Eurofighter Typhoon에 대해서 절대적인 우위를 점하고 있지만.근접공중전에서는 F-22가 Eurofighter에 결코 우세하지 않았다.는 기사다. 뭐... 자주민보와는 달리 F-22가 그럼에도 세계최강의 전투기이라고 개인적으로는 생각하지만...뭐.. 그리고 F-22이 왜 현존 최강의 전투기인지를 안다면...별로 놀라울것도 없지만... 그렇다면 F-22의 원거리 공중전의 절대적 우위를 결코 기대할수없는 F-35를 그런 더 큰 비용으로 구매해야할 이유는 절대로 없는거 아닌가? 아니... 최소한 그래도 F-35가 스텔스라면서 더 좋다고 짖어댈 것들은왜 F-22가 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 절대강자인지...왜 F-35도 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 유리할수있는지를 설명하는게 우선이 아닐까 싶다.개인적인 판단은...
F-35를 구매하면 절대 안되는 이유 1
뭐... 자주민보와는 달리 F-22가 그럼에도 세계최강의 전투기이라고 개인적으로는 생각하지만...뭐.. 그리고 F-22이 왜 현존 최강의 전투기인지를 안다면...별로 놀라울것도 없지만...
그렇다면 F-22의 원거리 공중전의 절대적 우위를 결코 기대할수없는 F-35를 그런 더 큰 비용으로 구매해야할 이유는 절대로 없는거 아닌가?
아니... 최소한 그래도 F-35가 스텔스라면서 더 좋다고 짖어댈 것들은왜 F-22가 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 절대강자인지...왜 F-35도 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 유리할수있는지를 설명하는게 우선이 아닐까 싶다.개인적인 판단은...
F-22's latest problem: Can't win over cheaper rivals in close-range fights
Published: 01 August, 2012, 19:10
Edited: 02 August, 2012, 02:31
F-22 Raptor (AFP Photo / USAF)
Mysteries remain as to why the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor pilots continue to experience symptoms of oxygen deprivation in the sky, but now a new question is being asked: does history’s costliest jet compare with its half-price counterparts?
The United States has invested about $80 billion into its Raptor fleet, which, at only 187 planes, has cost the country around $420 million apiece and has become the most expensive addition ever to the Air Force’s arsenal. According to a new report published in the latest edition of Combat Aircraft Monthly, though, the state-of-the-art jet has failed missions that put it up against the Eurofighter Typhoon, a simpler aircraft utilized by German pilots that costs a comparable measly $200 million apiece.
"We expected to perform less with the Eurofighter but we didn't," German air officer Marc Grune tells the magazine."We were evenly matched. They didn't expect us to turn so aggressively."
Although the advantageous of the Raptor jet aren’t exactly being brought into argument, the latest report suggests that in terms of close-range, one-on-one combat, the F-22 has failed to outmaneuver its German competitor. And while the long-range capabilities of the Raptor continue to be endorsed, being unable to claim victory in an up-close-and-personal fight with a plane from another fleet is an embarrassment the US Air Force doesn’t need right now.
The Air Force is standing by its multi-billion-dollar fleet, but the latest news regarding the F-22 doesn’t end there. After months of complaints from inside the military over hypoxia-like symptoms effecting Raptor pilots, the Pentagon says they believe the root of their problems isn’t in the jet itself but with the inflatable vest that pilots are required to wear. The Defense Department is now considering new equipment for its pilots that it believes will eliminate those symptoms, which have been blamed on at least one death, but not before grounding its F-22 fleet time and time again as investigators looked high and low for the culprit.
“We have looked at everything on that system [to] the nth degree, and the bottom line is that there’s no smoking gun,”Lt. Gen. Herbert Carlisle, a high-ranking Pentagon official, told the Air Force Times earlier this year.
Pentagon spokesperson George Little said last week that in regards to its fix targeting the pilot’s vests, “The Air Force is confident the root cause of the issue is the supply of oxygen delivered to pilots, not the quality of oxygen delivered to pilots.”
The Pentagon has yet to formally conclude that its adjustments will eliminate the complaints of hypoxia like conditions. Meanwhile, F-22 pilots are prohibits from flying the aircraft above 44,000 feet.
http://rt.com/usa/news/pilots-air-f-22-raptor-615/
그리고 가능하면 밑의 기사도 기회되면 읽어보길.
F-22 Raptor Loses $79 Billion Advantage in Dogfights: ReportThe United States has spent nearly $80 billion to develop the most advanced stealth fighter jet in history, the F-22 Raptor, but the Air Force recently found out firsthand that while the planes own the skies at modern long-range air combat, it is “evenly matched” with cheaper, foreign jets when it comes to old-school dogfighting.The F-22 made its debut at the international Red Flag Alaska training exercise this June where the planes “cleared the skies of simulated enemy forces and provided security for Australian, German, Japanese, Polish and [NATO] aircraft,” according to an after-action public report by the Air Force. The F-22 took part in the exercise while under strict flying restrictionsimposed by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta in light of mysterious, potentially deadly oxygen problems with the planes — problems that the Pentagon believes it has since solved.
READ ABC News Investigation: The F-22′s Fatal Flaws
The Air Force said the planes flew 80 missions during the event “with a very high mission success rate.” However, a new report from Combat Aircraft Monthly revealed that in a handful of missions designed to test the F-22 in a very specific situation – close-range, one-on-one combat – the jet appeared to lose its pricey advantages over a friendly rival, the Eurofighter Typhoon, flown in this case by German airmen.
“We expected to perform less with the Eurofighter but we didn’t,” German air officer Marc Grune said, according to Combat Aircraft Monthly. “We were evenly matched. They didn’t expect us to turn so aggressively.”
Two other German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in the same report that the F-22′s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision — mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range. Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they weren’t able to get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted.
“But as soon as you get to the merge…” Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dogfighting, “in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects.”
In response to the report, a spokesperson for the Air Force, Lt. Col. Tadd Sholtis, told ABC News that one-on-one combat is only one way to eva1uate an aircraft’s capabilities and said it’s not “necessarily the most relevant to every scenario.”
“The F-22 is conceived and employed as part of an integrated force that provides offensive capabilities that make close engagements far less likely while retaining the ability to handle close engagements in tandem with other fighters,” he said.
Air Force Gen. John Jumper, one of the few airmen to have flown both aircraft before he retired in 2005, said that year that it is difficult to compare the F-22 and the Eurofighter.
“They are different kinds of airplanes to start with,” he said, according to anAir Force Print News report. “It’s like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance.”
The F-22 “can maneuver with the best of them if it has to, but what you want to be able to do is get into contested airspace no matter where it is,” Jumper said, referring to the F-22′s stealth and supercruise capabilities that are meant to allow the plane to sneak in to hostile territory undetected – an ability the non-stealth Eurofighter lacks.
As for where that contested airspace may be, the Air Force hasn’t said. But in April 2011 an executive for Lockheed Martin, the primary manufacturer of the F-22, told ABC News that the plane could “absolutely” find a home in quick strike missions against countries like Iran or North Korea. Over the weekend, the Air Force deployed a squadron of F-22s to Kadena Air Base in southern Japan just over 800 miles south of the North Korean border — a move that comes three months after an undisclosed number of the stealth jets were deployed to an allied base in the United Arab Emirates, some 200 miles from the Iranian mainland.
The F-22 is the single most expensive fighter jet in history at a total acquisition cost of an estimated $79 billion for 187 planes, meaning each plane costs approximately $420 million. Estimates for the Eurofighter Typhoon – the premier fighter for several allied countries including the U.K., Germany and Italy – put that plane at just under $200 million each, according to an April 2011 report by England’s Public Accounts Committee.
“[Red Flag was] a mission to get to know each other, the first contact by German Eurofighters in the continental U.S.,” Grune said of mock-fighting the F-22s. “We are not planning on facing each other in combat. We want to work together but it was a starter for us to work together. They were impressed, as we were impressed by them.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/07/f-22-fighter-loses-79-billion-advantage-in-dogfights-report/
간단하게 번역해보면,F-22가 원거리 공중전에선 더 저렴한 Eurofighter Typhoon에 대해서 절대적인 우위를 점하고 있지만.근접공중전에서는 F-22가 Eurofighter에 결코 우세하지 않았다.는 기사다.뭐... 자주민보와는 달리 F-22가 그럼에도 세계최강의 전투기이라고 개인적으로는 생각하지만...뭐.. 그리고 F-22이 왜 현존 최강의 전투기인지를 안다면...별로 놀라울것도 없지만...
그렇다면 F-22의 원거리 공중전의 절대적 우위를 결코 기대할수없는 F-35를 그런 더 큰 비용으로 구매해야할 이유는 절대로 없는거 아닌가?
아니... 최소한 그래도 F-35가 스텔스라면서 더 좋다고 짖어댈 것들은왜 F-22가 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 절대강자인지...왜 F-35도 최소한 원거리 공중전에서 유리할수있는지를 설명하는게 우선이 아닐까 싶다.개인적인 판단은...